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# Sable, a lion argent and a '''chief gules'''. 1602-1604 Wappenbuch der Konrad Grünenberg [BSB-Hss Cgm 9210, f360?, p302] (low contrast peripheral ordinary with high contrast primary charge) | # Sable, a lion argent and a '''chief gules'''. 1602-1604 Wappenbuch der Konrad Grünenberg [BSB-Hss Cgm 9210, f360?, p302] (low contrast peripheral ordinary with high contrast primary charge) | ||
# (Can't Read Name): {Blazoning only quarter 2} Per fess or and sable, in chief a demi-lion issuant from the line of division sable crowned argent and '''in base a chevron indented and masoned gules'''. Großes Wappenbuch, Cod.icon. 333 [S.l.] Süddeutschland 1583 - http://codicon.digitale-sammlungen.de/Blatt_bsb00002481,00006.html | # (Can't Read Name): {Blazoning only quarter 2} Per fess or and sable, in chief a demi-lion issuant from the line of division sable crowned argent and '''in base a chevron indented and masoned gules'''. Großes Wappenbuch, Cod.icon. 333 [S.l.] Süddeutschland 1583 - http://codicon.digitale-sammlungen.de/Blatt_bsb00002481,00006.html | ||
+ | # Sable, a lion argent within a '''bordure gules'''. Universeel Wapenboek c. 1558 (Gunnvor collection Gunnvor-Red-on-Black_02) | ||
+ | # Sable, on a '''canton gules''' a lion Or. Universeel Wapenboek c. 1558 (Gunnvor-Red-on-Black_02) | ||
+ | # Sable, five bezants within a '''bordure gules'''. Siebmacher, von Sickingen (Gunnvor-Red-on-Black_03) | ||
## Gules, a '''pile invected sable'''. Sammelband, f153. | ## Gules, a '''pile invected sable'''. Sammelband, f153. | ||
## Gules, a sinister '''arm issuant from sinister chief vested sable''' trimmed maintaining in the hand a ring Or. Quarters 2&3 of f365 Baie von Boppart in Scheibler http:commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Beier_von_Boppard-Scheibler365ps.jpg | ## Gules, a sinister '''arm issuant from sinister chief vested sable''' trimmed maintaining in the hand a ring Or. Quarters 2&3 of f365 Baie von Boppart in Scheibler http:commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Beier_von_Boppard-Scheibler365ps.jpg | ||
+ | ## Gules, a tower argent and in base an '''eagle sable'''. Sammeland BSB391, f152v. (Gunnvor-Black-Eagles-on-Red) | ||
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| Sable, a lion argent and a '''chief gules'''. || [quarter 2] Per fess or and sable, in chief a demi-lion issuant from the line of division sable crowned argent and in base a chevron indented and masoned gules || Gules, a pile invected sable. || Gules, a sinister arm issuant from sinister chief vested sable trimmed maintaining in the hand a ring Or. | | Sable, a lion argent and a '''chief gules'''. || [quarter 2] Per fess or and sable, in chief a demi-lion issuant from the line of division sable crowned argent and in base a chevron indented and masoned gules || Gules, a pile invected sable. || Gules, a sinister arm issuant from sinister chief vested sable trimmed maintaining in the hand a ring Or. |
Revision as of 21:49, 27 August 2022
name already registered
MacGruder is a sept of Clan Gregor. The Iowa town of McGregor was founded by a member of the Gregor clan.
Scotch pine is the plant badge of the Gregor clan per Wikipedia.
Crest badge: The crest badge suitable for members of Clan Gregor to wear consists of the chief's heraldic crest and slogan. The chief's crest is: a lion's head erased Proper, crowned with an antique crown Or. The chief's slogan within the crest badge is 's rìoghail mo dhream ([stɾiː.əl mə ɣɾãũm]), which translates from Scottish Gaelic to "Royal is my race"
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- 1 Sable, in chevron a wolf's head cabossed between two stags combatant argent and three wolves's teeth issuant from base gules.
- 2 Sable, between two stags combatant aregen a pale indented gules fimbraited charged with a wolf's head cabossed argent.
- 3 Sable, between two stags combatant a pale indented gules charged with a wolf's head couped sable.
- 4 Alternate Ideas
Sable, in chevron a wolf's head cabossed between two stags combatant argent and three wolves's teeth issuant from base gules.
Conflict:
Needs an IAP for color-on-color
German IAP Went through the 19 German armorial PDFs from Gunnvor and her various collections of examples
Single examples of "normal" items
Wolf's teeth x 1 (issuant from base?)
- Argent, a fess vert, in chief three wolves' teeth issuant from dexter and three issuant from sinister sable. Siebmacher's Wappenbuch of 1605, von Keudell (plate 135)
- "we’ve an example of them issuant from base, in the arms of Schinsky, 1605 [Siebmacher 135, 28]." per the PicDic. Also, the number of teeth is to be blazoned. https://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/heraldry/siebmacher/28-schinsky.jpg
Stag rampant x 1
- Argent, a stag rampant gules. f 164 Sammelbund, BSB 391
Wolf's head X 1
- Azure, a wolf's head couped argent. Siebmacher von Kötzaw (153).
- no caboshed dog/wolf in the Ordinary of Siebmachers Wappenbuch - https://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/heraldry/siebmacher/h-siebmacher.html
Beast's head cabossed x at least 1:
- Gules, a bull's head affronty sable armed and ringed Or. Grosses Wapenbuch, Wagrien.
- Quarterly 1st Or, a boar's head cabossed sable capped gules, 2nd ... 3rd ... 4th ..., overall an escutcheon per fess gules and Or, Meckhelbur (7).
- Azure, issuant from a stag's head cabbosed, a Latin cross Or, a bordure gules, Thull (12).
- Gules, a ram's head cabossed sable armed and crowned Or, von Haugwitz (153).
- Quarterly 1st and 4th ..., 2nd and 3rd gules, a lion's head cabossed Or, von Bünaw (155).
- Quarterly 1st and 4th per saltire Or and sable, in pale two leopard's heads and in fess two fleurs-de-lys counterchanged, 2nd and 3rd ..., Unverzagt (33).
Motif of charges in chevron
- Gules, three dice in chevron argent and a mount Or. 1400s Wappen Deutscher Geschlechter [BSB Cod.icon. 311] (688), f50
Motif of unlike charges in a single charge group:
- Argent, in saltire a scimitar argent handled Or and a key argent. Ortenburger Wappenbuch, BSB 308, folio 212.
- Argent, in fess an eagles leg Or feathered vert and a lion gules. 1400s Wappen Deutscher Geschlechter [BSB Cod.icon. 311] (688), folio 16.
- Azure, in fess a stag's attire palewise argent and a lion Or armed and crowned Or. 1400s Wappen Deutscher Geschlechter [BSB Cod.icon. 311] (688), folio 18r
Motif of wolf's teeth with other charges on the field
- Argent, a fess vert and in chief six wolf's teeth, three from the dexter and three from the sinister, sable. Siebmacher, 135, Keudel zu Schwebda.
Triple examples of things that "break the rules"
Need 3 examples of low-contrast peripheral charges with high-contrast primary charges, or 6 bracketing examples.
- Sable, a latin cross argent issuant from a trimount gules between in chief two mullets of six points Or. - Swiss Armorial (?), Röthlisberger (dated to 1392?) (low-contrast basal charge with multiple high contrast primary charges) - Modern source - http://burgerbib.scopeoais.ch/detail.aspx?ID=225005
- Sable, a griffin argent issuant from a trimount gules. - BSB392d Suddeutchland Armorial, 16th cent. (low-contrast basal charge with high contrast primary charge)
- Sable an eagle rising wings displayed argent upon a trimount gules - Siebmacher, f144, Die Rothen (low-contrast basal charge with high contrast primary charge)
- Sable, three towers argent, for augmentation on a canton gules, a comb (?) Or. Wapenboek Beyeren [1581]. https://galerij.kb.nl/kb.html#/nl/wapenboek/ - 042r her Geldoff van Zenne. (low contrast peripheral ordinary with multiple high contrast primary charges)
- Sable, a lion argent and a chief gules. 1602-1604 Wappenbuch der Konrad Grünenberg [BSB-Hss Cgm 9210, f360?, p302] (low contrast peripheral ordinary with high contrast primary charge)
- (Can't Read Name): {Blazoning only quarter 2} Per fess or and sable, in chief a demi-lion issuant from the line of division sable crowned argent and in base a chevron indented and masoned gules. Großes Wappenbuch, Cod.icon. 333 [S.l.] Süddeutschland 1583 - http://codicon.digitale-sammlungen.de/Blatt_bsb00002481,00006.html
- Sable, a lion argent within a bordure gules. Universeel Wapenboek c. 1558 (Gunnvor collection Gunnvor-Red-on-Black_02)
- Sable, on a canton gules a lion Or. Universeel Wapenboek c. 1558 (Gunnvor-Red-on-Black_02)
- Sable, five bezants within a bordure gules. Siebmacher, von Sickingen (Gunnvor-Red-on-Black_03)
- Gules, a pile invected sable. Sammelband, f153.
- Gules, a sinister arm issuant from sinister chief vested sable trimmed maintaining in the hand a ring Or. Quarters 2&3 of f365 Baie von Boppart in Scheibler http:commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Beier_von_Boppard-Scheibler365ps.jpg
- Gules, a tower argent and in base an eagle sable. Sammeland BSB391, f152v. (Gunnvor-Black-Eagles-on-Red)
Sable, between two stags combatant aregen a pale indented gules fimbraited charged with a wolf's head cabossed argent.
No rules broken, but would like to break a tincture rule if we can.
And hard to fit everything into the design.
Sable, between two stags combatant a pale indented gules charged with a wolf's head couped sable.
Needs an IAP for color-on-color
German IAP Went through the 19 German armorial PDFs from Gunnvor and her various collections of examples
Single examples of "normal" items
Pale indented x 1
- Or, a pale indented gules, von Wisentaw (103) [but looks a bit fusilly]. https://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/heraldry/siebmacher/pale-1-gu.html, https://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/heraldry/siebmacher/103-vonwisentaw.jpg
- Argent, a pale indented gules. 1500s Wappen Deutscher Geschlechter [BSB Cod.icon. 312, f42]
Stags combatant x 1
- Argent, a stag rampant gules. f 164 Sammelbund
Wolf's head couped X 1
- Or, a wolf's head couped vert. f 321v Manesse Codex.
- Azure, a wolf's head couped argent, von Kötzaw (153). https://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/heraldry/siebmacher/153-vonkoetzaw.jpg
Motif of charged pale with secondaries on either side x1
- Argent, between two herbrew letters sable and pale gules charged with a bell Or. f13r in Sammelbund.
Triple examples of things that "break the rules"
LC central ordinary with complex line, gules on sable x 3
- (Can't Read Name): {Blazoning only quarter 2} Per fess or and sable, in chief a demi-lion issuant from the line of division sable crowned argent and in base a chevron indented and masoned gules. http://codicon.digitale-sammlungen.de/1bsb00002481_00183.jpg
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- Per pale sable and argent, a pale per pale sable a fess gules and gules a fess argent. Her Syegmut Seberacher, Ingeram Codex. http:commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ingeram_Codex_018.jpg
- Per pale sable a fess gules and argent. Turnbacher, Ingeram Codex. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ingeram_Codex_206.jpg
- Sable a fess gules and overall a decrescent and an increscent Or, f35 Sammelbund
- Sable, a lion Or and overall a bend gules. Sammelband, f179. Also Wapenboek Beyeren [1581], 029v Jan die bastert van Brabant. (because a bend overall is more complex that a bend on the field?)
- Sable, a lion rampant Or, overall on a bend gules three annulets sable. 038r die heere van Loncamp. Wapenboek Beyeren [1581]. http://www.kb.nl/bladerboek/wapenboek/ (because a bend overall is more complex that a bend on the field?)
- Gules, on a bend wavy sable three fish haurient argent (HC tertiaries). Dye Schencken von Sumern. Ingeram Codex. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ingeram_Codex_173.jpg
- Gules, on a bend sable three fleurs (?) argent, 1475-1560 Wappen Besonders von Deutschen Geschlechtern [BSB Cod. 309, f ?, p 116 in my download]
- Gules, on a fess sable three plates, 1400s Wappen Deutscher Geschlechter [BSB Cod.icon. 311, f40]
- Gules, a fess sable charged with three plates. Sammeland, f192; also in 1540 Anton Tirol's Wappenbuch [BSB 310, f129]
- Gules, a fess sable charged with three bezants. 1602-1604 Wappenbuch der Konrad Grünenberg (BSB-Hss Cgm 9210, p287, f305)
- Gules, a pale sable within a bordure or. #385 zum Angen, Zurich Roll (http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ZurichRoll/index.html )
- Red bordure on black, f92 Sammelbund
- Lots of red saltires on blue in Sammelbund, uncharged.
LC two complex secondary animate charges on the field - gules on sable x3
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- Sable, a bull passant gules attired Or. 212r, Ortenburger Wappenbuch, German 1466-1473 [link] HiGaS
- Per pale gules and sable, an eagle displayed counterchanged. Von Radenhausen, Siebmacher, German 1605, plate 182 [link] HiGaS
- Per fess sable and argent, a lion gules and three billets? sable. Von Homberg, Siebmacher, German 1605, plate 167 [link] HiGaS
- Sable, a lion rampant gules crowned Or, BSB CMG9210 f104 (or 304 or 504?) Grunenbergy Conrad Wappenbuch
- Black dog on red field, f2 Sammelbund
LC animate tertiary - Sable on gules (tertiary on central ordinary) x3
- Argent, on a bend gules three drinking horns sable. Von Gellhorn, Siebmacher, German 1605, plate 55 [link] HiGaS
- Argent, a bend gules charged in dexter with a fleur sable. 1602-1604 Wappenbuch der Konrad Grünenberg, BSB-Hss Cgm 9210, f265, p247
- Or, a lion gules charged on the shoulder with a wheel sable. 014v her Aernt van Moirmont. (because a lion is more complex than an ordinary) Wapenboek Beyeren [1581]. http://www.kb.nl/bladerboek/wapenboek/
- Sable, a lion rampant Or, overall on a bend gules three annulets sable. 038r die heere van Loncamp. Wapenboek Beyeren [1581]. http://www.kb.nl/bladerboek/wapenboek/ (because a bend overall is more complex that a bend on the field?)
- Paly argent and azure, on a chief gules in dexter a mullet sable. 004v her Jan Mulrepas. Wapenboek Beyeren [1581]. http://www.kb.nl/bladerboek/wapenboek/
- Argent on a chief indented gules, in dexter in pale two lions passant sable. (?!?) 046r her Michiell van Watersoen, Wapenboek Beyeren, Dutch 1581. http://www.kb.nl/bladerboek/wapenboek/
"HiGaS" per Heraldry in Gules and Sable
Alternate Ideas
Per pale sable and gules, two roundels in fess counterchanged. 1475-1500 Wernigeroder Wappenbuch [BSB Cod.icon. 308 n, folio 207r]
Stag's attires - red on black and vice versa on wiki
Wolves' teeth - stylized teeth coming out of the side of the shield - http://heraldicart.org/wolves-teeth/
Quarterly gules and sable to mimic the "buffalo plaid" tartan allowed
- Quarterly indented (?) argent and gules, 1500s Wappen Deutscher Geschlechter [BSB Cod.icon. 312, f46, ]
- Above clearly indented in 1574-1637 Stamm- und Wappenbuch des Freiherrn Wolfgang Leonhard Unverzagt von Ebenfurth und Petronell - BSB Cod.icon. 326b, f 7 showing "Liechtenstein".
- Also, Quarterly indented gules and argent, 1466-1473 Ortenburger Wappenbuch [BSB Cod.icon. 308 u], p 232, folio 127/129r ? and 146/148, 151/153
- Both field-primary devices: Quarterly gules and sable, and Quarterly sable and gules, appear clear of conflict ?!? (haven't checked gules/color or sable/color)
- Gules and sable - https://oanda.sca.org//oanda_desc.cgi?p=QLY%3a%7eand%20sable%3agules
- Gules and argent - Ulf of Sjaelland registered in February of 1996 (via Caid): Quarterly gules and argent. Only 1 DC for sable to argent. Add indented lines to clear?
- Gules and azure - Eirik Halfdanarson registered in September of 2014 (via Ansteorra): Quarterly embattled gules and azure.
- Gules and fur - none plain
- Gules and multi - none plain
- Gules and Or - none plain
- Gules and purpure - none plain
- GUles and vert - none plain
- Sable and gules - https://oanda.sca.org//oanda_desc.cgi?p=QLY%3a%7eand%20gules%3asable
- Sable and argent - Paul fitz Denis registered in February of 2014 (via Caid): Quarterly per fess indented sable and argent.
- Sable and azure - none plain
- Sable and fur - none plain
- Sable and multi - none plain
- Sable and Or - Sven Förlorad registered in April of 1998 (via Trimaris): Quarterly arrondi sable and Or.
- Sable and purpure - Michael Patrick MacBain registered in July of 2020 (via the Outlands): Quarterly sable and purpure.
- Sable and vert - none plain
- Gules and sable - https://oanda.sca.org//oanda_desc.cgi?p=QLY%3a%7eand%20sable%3agules
Indented field divisions registerable with gules and sable per SENA Appendix H - http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#AppendixH