Rogned Steingrimovna

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Bureaucratic details

Consulting!

  • Name: Primary & Household
  • Action: New for both names
  • Already Registered Name? no
  • Authenticity desired? yes
  • Allowed Changes: Minor only
  • If changes needed: Language/Culture - Scando-Rus, Meaning - daughter of Steinngrimr
  • Allow Holding Name?
  • Gender of Name: female
  • Previous submission history, if any - none
  • Kingdom? Drachenwald

Name Inspiration

Primary Name: Rogned Steingrimovna, Russian persona, 10-13th C, Novgorod.

  • "My persona has a Rus mother and Swedish father of the Varangian Guard... My father, in the SCA, is Duke Steingrim Stellari (An Tír, now the West). Hence the Steingrimovna.

Household Name: Dom Stemgrimov

  • I need to check the grammar on this.

Given Name

Rogned

Rogneda (f) -- Scandanavian name. Rogneda, daughter of Rogvolod Polotskoi. 980. [Tup 463] Vars: Rogned (daughter of Rogvolod). 980. [Nik IX 39] Rogned' (daughter of Great Prince Mstislav Vladimirovich). 1168. [Tup 463] Rozgneda. c980. [Ste 69] from Wickenden 2nd edition.


Byname/Surname

Steingrimovicha

Byname honoring SCA father

  • Steingrimovicha - Slavicized Scandinavian patronymic byname.
    • Steingrímr = Old Norse name per Viking Answer Lady. http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensNames.shtml
    • Slavicizing Scandinavian patronymic bynames evidenced in the 944/945 Rus-Byzantine treaty as recorded in the Russian Primary Chronicle with names such as:
    • -ovicha - alternate feminine Russian patronymic byname suffix per Wickenden grammar

Stengrimovicha

Byname honoring Swedish persona father

  • Stengrimovicha - Slavicized Scandinavian patronymic byname.
    • Stengrim = Old Swedish alternate spelling of Old Norse name per Viking Answer Lady sn. Steingrímr, sn. Steinn (Steinn vs Sten), sn. Grímr, Grími (Grímr vs Grim) - http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensNames.shtml
    • Slavicizing Scandinavian patronymic bynames evidenced in the 944/945 Rus-Byzantine treaty as will be listed above...
    • -ovicha - ditto

Stengrima/Steingrima

Straight Old Norse constructed feminine byname (?) in case the evidence for adding the Slavic suffix is deemed insufficient

  • Steina, Stæina Appears in Old Swedish as Stena. A short form of feminine names in Stein-, Stæin-. Occurs in the runic accusative form steinu. NR s.v. Stæina, Stæin- http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONWomensNames.shtml
  • Gríma The first element Grím- is related to Old Icelandic gríma, "mask", and may refer to a helm which masks the face, also Grímr was one of the names of the god Óðinn. This name appears in Landnámabók for Gríma Hallkelsdóttir in ch. 22 and ch. 28. In Laxdæla saga (c. 1245) Gríma is the name of a Hebridean witch who practices deadly magic against Þórðr Ingunnarson and Kari Hrútsson, and is eventually put to death for her crimes by Óláfr pái ("peacock")
  • Hallgríma For the first element Hall- see above. For the second element -gríma see above. FJ pp. 344, 349; CV pp. 216, 235 s.v. gríma, hallr
  • Kolgríma For the first element Kol- see above. For the second element -gríma see above. This name appears in Landnámabók for Kolgríma Beinisdóttir in ch. 98. A short form of feminine names in Kol- is Kolla.
  • Þórgríma For the first element Þór- see above. For the second element -gríma see above. A short form of women's names in þór- is Þóra or Tóra.

Stengrimsdottir/Steingrimsdottir

Straight Old Norse patronymic byname in case the evidence for adding the Slavic suffix is deemed insufficient

Notes

Clearly a lightly Slavicized Scandinavian patronymic byname:

  • Scandinavian Steingrimr with Slavic alternate patryonimic ending.
  • Standard period patronymic ending is -ova, without the "n" although -ovna is documented and registerable.
  • -ovicha is a nice option for northern Rus, Novgorod style although -ova is most common there (need to verify) and elsewhere in Rus.

Notes on Slavicization:

  • The long "i" sound in the German pronunciation of Stein- is a rather alien sound in Russian.
  • However, "ei" is pronounced "ay" (as in "way") in Old Norse - https://ordstirr.wordpress.com/language/old-norse-pronunciation/ and others.
  • Most of the "Viking Rus" in early Russia were from Sweden, where "Sten-" is the expected form according to the Viking Answer Lady (see below). The "e" in Old Norse is pronounced like the "e" in "bet" (which is just as it would be pronounced in Russian).
  • In the 10th c. Rus-Byzantine treaties, see below, "-stein-" is written in Russian as: sten, or stem.
  • Ibid, "Grimr" is converted into simple Grim. That this version is acceptible to Slavic tongues is demonstrated by the Slavic name, Grimislav which is documented in Wickenden.

Conclusion: plausible constructed Slavicized paternal name "Stengrim" leading to patronymic byname Stengrimov -> Stengrimova, Stengrimovicha or Stengrimovna. The Russian "e" is pronounced like "eh" or "yeh", not like "ee" and certainly not like the "i" in "bite" (which is actually a diphthong of ah + ee).


Viking Answer Lady:

  • Steingrímr - "For the first element Stein- see above. For the second element -grímr see above. GB p. 15 s.n. Steingrímr; FJ pp. 346, 349 s.nn. Stein-, -grímr; CV p. xxxiv s.v. "Pet Names"; CV pp. 216, 591 s.v. gríma, steinn; NR s.n. -stæinn, -grímR"
    • Steinn - "Found both as a personal name and as a by-name in Old Danish and Old Swedish as Sten and in OW.Norse as Steinn. From OW.Norse steinn "stone." As by-name, may reflect place-names in OW.Norse Stein-, -steinn...
    • Grímr, Grími - "Found in Old Danish as Grim (found as a by-name), Old Swedish Grim (found as a by-name), and OW.Norse Grímr. (Instances in Old Danish and Old Swedish by-names may be derived from the OW.Norse adjective grimmr "grim, cruel, atrocious".) Originally a by-name, related to Old Icelandic gríma, "mask", and may refer to a helm which masks the face, also Grímr was one of the names of the god Óðinn. This name is common in Norway and Iceland through the whole medieval period, and is frequent in Denmark and Sweden...

Slavicized Norse names in the 944/945 Byzantine Treaty:

Treaty forms Nordiskt runnamnslexikon (The Dictionary of Norse Runic Names)
...Grim Sfir'kov; Prasten Akun... Istr Aminodov; Prasten Bernov; ... Furosten, Bruny, Roal'd, Gunastr, Frasten', ... ... Grimr, Prasten?, Iostaeinn, ....Prasten?, Biorn, ...Fro/ystaeinn, Brunn, Hroald, Gunn-?, Fro/ystaeinn, ...

Introduction to the 944/945 treaty with Byzantium

Per Laurentian Text under 944 - http://litopys.org.ua/lavrlet/lavr03.htm 

...Прасьтѣнь Туръдуви Либиаръ Фастовъ . Гримъ Сфирьковъ ... Каръı . Тудковъ. Каршевъ . Туръдовъ. Егри Евлисковъ. [Воистъ] Е Воиковъ. Истръ. Аминодовъ. Прастѣнъ . Берновъ. Ӕвтѧгъ. Гунаровъ ... Колъ Клековъ. Стегги Етоновъ . ... Алвадъ Гудовъ . Фудри Туадовъ. Мутуръ Оутинъ . ... Фуръстѣнъ ... Фрастѣнъ .

Per modern Russian translation of the Primary Chronicle under 945 - http://www.old-russian.chat.ru/01povest.htm 

... Прастен Тудоров; Либиар Фастов; Грим Сфирьков; ... Кары Тудков; Каршев Тудоров; Егри Евлисков; Воист Войков; Истр Аминодов; Прастен Бернов; Явтяг Гунарев; ... Кол Клеков; Стегги Етонов; ... Алвад Гудов; Фудри Туадов; Мутур Утин; ... Фуростен, ... Фрастен...

Translated/transliterated list of names from above:  

... Prasten Tudorov; Libiar Fastov; Grim Sfir'kov; ...Kary Tudkov; Karshev Tudorov; Egri Evliskov; Voist Voikov; Istr Aminodov; Prasten Bernov; Yavtyag Gunarev; ... Kol Klekov; Steggi Etonov; ... Alvad Gudov; Fundri Tuadov; Mutur Utin; ... Furosten, ... Frasten...

From Nordiskt runnamnslexikon The Dictionary of Norse Runic Names, by Lena Peterson - 

...?Prasten Tudorov Þjóðarr (VAL)?, Libbi & Lik(n)biorn, Fasti, Grimr, Sfir'kov?, Hagni/Hagun-, ...Kari, Haeggi, Evliskov?, Voist?, Boi, Iostaeinn, Aminodov?, Prasten?, Biorn, Yavtyag, Gunn- & Gunna & Gunnar, ...Kolla & Kolli & Kulli & Kulr, Klakki, Stigr & Styggr, Aeithorn & Aetta, ...Alver, Guthi, Finnr & Fithr & Fundinn, Fundri Tuadov?, Utr, ... Fro/ystaeinn, ...Fro/ystaeinn...

http://www.sofi.se/images/runor/pdf/lexikon.pdf


Close (?) names in Wickenden:

  • Grimislav (m) -- "decorated glory." Grimislav. 1253. [Mor 64] Vars: Grimizlai. 1247. [Mor 64]
  • Stemid (m) -- Stemid. 912. [Mor 186] - clearly from the 911 treaty (old calendar)

Combination

  • Documentation for the combination of the names
  • Needed if lingual mix, temporal incompatibility, double-given name, etc.


Household Name

Dom

Steingrimov - see above

Blazon Information

Device?

Gules, a Ukrainian trident Or and in chief a crescent pendant argent.


Gules/Sable, a Ukrainian trident Or.

  • conflict checking...

Household Badge?

RognedSample1Color.png

Per pale Or and gules, a bear rampant sable maintaining a sword bendwise argent. "I believe a black border around the edge may need to be added (?)"

  • Concern: the argent sword is laying on the Or part of the field, which is no longer allowed with the new rule that maintained charges count for difference. Suggest changing the sword tincture to a color, or swapping the tinctures of the field.

Per pale Or and gules, a bear sejant erect sable maintaining a scimitar bendwise sinister proper (gold handle, silver blade) overhead.

  • Solves the problem of the silver sword blade on a gold field by putting the sword have on the gold and half on the red. The sword should probably be all silver in case someone wants to fret about the gold handle on a gold field.
  • Scimitar options: http://heraldicart.org/scimitar/
  • Bear options (none sejant ERECT, grumble): http://heraldicart.org/scimitar/

Conflict Checking

Name

Individually Attested Pattern

  • Documentation for any design that violates the rules

Insta-Boing Checklist

  • Registered name - yes
  • Rule of Tincture - working on it
  • Complexity 8 or less - 6
  • Slot-machine - no
  • Sword-and-dagger - no
  • Offensive/Presumptuous - no
  • Unity of Posture/Orientation/Arrangement - okay
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