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==Per saltire red/black, on a plate a three-petaled wood sorrel leaf gold==
==Per saltire red/black, on a plate a three-petaled wood sorrel leaf gold==
Alternately,


Sable, a wood sorrel leave Or.
Sable, a wood sorrel leave Or.

Revision as of 12:22, 23 June 2022

June 17-26th 2022

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Sefa refr

Norse name per Dorcas' sources

  • Conflict check: 7 Sefa's registered, none close. 56 refr's, non close.

Per chevron inverted vert and sable, a chevron inverted indented between 3 foxes' masks Or.

  • Conflict check under chevron - okay with chevron indented and chevron wavy and with same field.
  • Conflict check under head-beast-dog: same field, chevrons.

Roland Kienast

German name per Bahlow. Would be nice to better pin down the byname spelling date - medieval castle in what is now Poland.

  • From the Lochac LoI - 2017-04-26 - Family Search:
  • Conflict check - no conflicts under Roland, Rolant, Kienast.

Per bend azure and sable, two griffons sejent erect addorsed argent.

  • Clear under griffons.

Kitsumi Haramoto

NOT Ashikaga Kei'an [sic]

  • Ashikaga surname c. 1550, Kein'ai personal name, 1300s? - Japanese per Solveig. But too late of a period
    • Conflict check = good with above spellings. 5 Ashikaga's. A few Keina's, no Kein'ai.

Kitsumi (p33?) Haramoto (?p43) - documented in Solveig.

  • appears clear of conflict

Per saltire red/black, on a plate a three-petaled wood sorrel leaf gold

Alternately,

Sable, a wood sorrel leave Or.

Katabami = wood sorrel

Torquil MacGruder

name

already registered!

MacGruder is a sept of Clan Gregor. The Iowa town of McGregor was founded by a member of the Gregor clan.

Scotch pine is the plant badge of the Gregor clan per Wikipedia.

Crest badge: The crest badge suitable for members of Clan Gregor to wear consists of the chief's heraldic crest and slogan. The chief's crest is: a lion's head erased Proper, crowned with an antique crown Or. The chief's slogan within the crest badge is 's rìoghail mo dhream ([stɾiː.əl mə ɣɾãũm]), which translates from Scottish Gaelic to "Royal is my race"

Sable, between two stags combatant a pale indented gules charged with a wolf's head couped sable.

Needs an IAP for color-on-color

German IAP

Went through the 19 German armorial PDFs from Gunnvor

Pale indented x 1

  1. Or, a pale indented gules, von Wisentaw (103) [but looks a bit fusilly]. https://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/heraldry/siebmacher/pale-1-gu.html, https://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/heraldry/siebmacher/103-vonwisentaw.jpg
  2. Argent, a pale indented gules. 1500s Wappen Deutscher Geschlechter [BSB Cod.icon. 312, f42]

Stags combatant x 1

  1. Argent, a stag rampant gules. f 164 Sammelbund

Wolf's head couped X 1

  1. Or, a wolf's head couped vert. f 321v Manesse Codex.
  2. Azure, a wolf's head couped argent, von Kötzaw (153). https://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/heraldry/siebmacher/153-vonkoetzaw.jpg

Motif of charged pale with secondaries on either side x1

  1. Argent, between two herbrew letters sable and pale gules charged with a bell Or. f13r in Sammelbund.

LC central ordinary ideally with complex line, gules on sable x 3

  1. (Can't Read Name): {Blazoning only quarter 2} Per fess or and sable, in chief a demi-lion issuant from the line of division sable crowned argent and in base a chevron indented and masoned gules. http://codicon.digitale-sammlungen.de/1bsb00002481_00183.jpg
  2. Red fess on black overall a decrescent and an increscent Or, f35 Sammelbund
  3. -
    1. Red bordure on black, f92 Sammelbund
    2. Black fess on red but with HC tertiaries, 1400s Wappen Deutscher Geschlechter [BSB Cod.icon. 311, f27r]
    3. Black bend on red but with HC tertiaries, 1475-1560 Wappen Besonders von Deutschen Geschlechtern [BSB Cod. 309, f ?, p 116 in my download]
    4. Lots of red saltires on blue in Sammelbund, uncharged.

LC complex animate charges on the field (ideally as secondary charges) - gules on sable x3

  1. Sable, a bull passant gules attired Or. 212r, Ortenburger Wappenbuch, German 1466-1473 [link] HiGaS
  2. Per pale gules and sable, an eagle displayed counterchanged. Von Radenhausen, Siebmacher, German 1605, plate 182 [link] HiGaS
  3. Per fess sable and argent, a lion gules and three billets? sable. Von Homberg, Siebmacher, German 1605, plate 167 [link] HiGaS
  4. Sable, a lion rampant gules crowned Or, BSB CMG9210 f104 (or 304 or 504?) Grunenbergy Conrad Wappenbuch
    1. Black dog on red field, f2 Sammelbund
Argent, a bend gules charged in dexter with a fleur sable. 1602-1604 Wappenbuch der Konrad Grünenberg, BSB-Hss Cgm 9210, f265, p247

LC animate tertiary - Sable on gules (tertiary on central ordinary) x3

  1. Argent, on a bend gules three drinking horns sable. Von Gellhorn, Siebmacher, German 1605, plate 55 [link] HiGaS
  2. Argent, a bend gules charged in dexter with a fleur sable. 1602-1604 Wappenbuch der Konrad Grünenberg, BSB-Hss Cgm 9210, f265, p247
  3. -
    1. Argent on a chief indented gules, in dexter in pale two lions passant sable. (?!?) 046r her Michiell van Watersoen, Wapenboek Beyeren, Dutch 1581 [link broken] HiGaS

"HiGaS" per Heraldry in Gules and Sable

Alternate Ideas

Per pale sable and gules, two roundels in fess counterchanged. 1475-1500 Wernigeroder Wappenbuch [BSB Cod.icon. 308 n, folio 207r]

Stag's attires - red on black and vice versa on wiki

Wolves' teeth - stylized teeth coming out of the side of the shield - http://heraldicart.org/wolves-teeth/

Quarterly gules and sable to mimic the "buffalo plaid" tartan allowed

  • Quarterly indented (?) argent and gules, 1500s Wappen Deutscher Geschlechter [BSB Cod.icon. 312, f46, ]
  • Above clearly indented in 1574-1637 Stamm- und Wappenbuch des Freiherrn Wolfgang Leonhard Unverzagt von Ebenfurth und Petronell - BSB Cod.icon. 326b, f 7 showing "Liechtenstein".
  • Both field-primary devices: Quarterly gules and sable, and Quarterly sable and gules, appear clear of conflict ?!? (haven't checked gules/color or sable/color)
    • Gules and sable - https://oanda.sca.org//oanda_desc.cgi?p=QLY%3a%7eand%20sable%3agules
      • Gules and argent - Ulf of Sjaelland registered in February of 1996 (via Caid): Quarterly gules and argent. Only 1 DC for sable to argent. Add indented lines to clear?
      • Gules and azure - Eirik Halfdanarson registered in September of 2014 (via Ansteorra): Quarterly embattled gules and azure.
      • Gules and fur - none plain
      • Gules and multi - none plain
      • Gules and Or - none plain
      • Gules and purpure - none plain
      • GUles and vert - none plain
    • Sable and gules - https://oanda.sca.org//oanda_desc.cgi?p=QLY%3a%7eand%20gules%3asable
      • Sable and argent - Paul fitz Denis registered in February of 2014 (via Caid): Quarterly per fess indented sable and argent.
      • Sable and azure - none plain
      • Sable and fur - none plain
      • Sable and multi - none plain
      • Sable and Or - Sven Förlorad registered in April of 1998 (via Trimaris): Quarterly arrondi sable and Or.
      • Sable and purpure - Michael Patrick MacBain registered in July of 2020 (via the Outlands): Quarterly sable and purpure.
      • Sable and vert - none plain

Indented field divisions registerable with gules and sable per SENA Appendix H - http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#AppendixH


Nut Meg Thorn

Name is already registered.

Per chevron throughout azure and Or, two oak leaves inverted argent and a tower stable and on a chief Or three acorns azure.

  • Appears clear under oak leaves, and under castle.

Oleander -> Ulfkell Hrafnhauss

Oleander - period plant mentioned in Dioscorides. Not in MED. Not in Withycombe...

Pre-Christian Old Norse "dictus Oleander":

  • Ulfkell personal name (Wulf Helm)
  • Hrafnhauss byname (b/c raven-skull necklace)
  • all per Geir Bassi

Only 3 registrations of Ulfkell. Only 5 registrations of Hrafnhauss. Appears clear.

Merlyn Mechtildis Nahtegale

mostly 14th century German

  • Merlyn - Med. Germ. Names Silesia article
  • Mechtildis - DMNES
  • Nahtegale - Hans Bahlow.

Clear under Merlyn, Merlin, zero Mechtilidis!, Mechtild, zero Nahtegale registered.

Merlyn device - Argent, a winged lion-dragon sejant erect affronty Or winged gules tailed vert and in base a seeblatt gules.

Conflict check under Lion-dragon - see Monster-Dragon, and Monster-Sea-Lion, and Monster-Composite, and Monster-Winged

  • clear under dragon (Or and vert), sea lion, monster-composite, monster-winged.

Lilian

Hummingbird device

Eibhear mac Finn

Early Modern Irish Gaelic (c1200-c1700) nominative form: Éibhear, Éimhear

Woulfe - https://www.libraryireland.com/names/men/eibhear-ever.php

Patronymic of Fionn for byname:

Conflict checking:

  • clear Eibhear, Ever, Eber, other Finn, Fionn
  • should be clear of Heber Finn: spelling of Eibhear, addition of H sound, addition of "mac"

Kaeso Allius Alexander

New Roman name

Per pall gules azure argent, a sunflower Or seeded gules maintained by a rat sable marked argent.

  • Conflict checked against Beast-Mouse, Flower-Multi-petalled

Renjia [sic]

Badge (Fieldless) a caltrop gules transfixing a cloud argent (tinctures?)

  • Conflict check: clearn under caltrop, mullet, and cloud with above tinctures.

Keridwen Andersdottir

Badge (Fieldless) A pawprint sable within and conjoined to 3 pine trees in pall points to center proper.

  • Looks clear of:
    • Gotfridus von Schwaben registered in April of 2020 (via Calontir): (Fieldless) In pall inverted three pine trees conjoined in base vert.

Thomas Punyer [sic]

alternate Norman persona for "Taco"

Zacharias Haukyn

Zacharias - English given name dated 1585 in "Names in Chesham, 1538-1600/1" - http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/Chesham/

Haukyn - English byname dated 1297 in R&W s.n. Hawkin.

Azure ermined Or, a cross crosslet Or.

  • Launcelot de Westwood registered in September of 1973: Azure, a cross botonny fitchy Or.
    • DC for ermine. SC for Ermine  ? No.
    • DC for fitchy? No. - "[T]here is not sufficient difference between a cross of Santiago and a cross fleury fitchy. We have traditionally not granted difference for the fitching of a cross." (December, 2013 LoAR)

Azure ermined Or, three crosses crosslet Or.

  • Cathleen de Barre registered in December of 1996 (via the West): Gules, three crosses crosslet fitchy Or.
    • DC for ermine. Nothing for fitchy.

Azure ermined Or, three crosses crosslet 1-and-2 Or.

  • Yñigo Diaz de Santiagos registered in June of 2014 (via the West): Azure, three crosses of Santiago one and two Or.
    • DC for ermine.
    • DC at least for type of cross.

Cedany Soul-less

Cedany

Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames - Part Three: The Names H-Z

Sidony Fr Sedaine, a fem. form of Lat Sidonius.

  • Cedany* 1275 Sedany
  • Sedaina 1221 Sedany
  • Sedania 1221 Sedany
  • Sedehanna 1218-19 Sedany

Author's Note: "Both DES and MEPN have many examples of women's forenames used as metronymic surnames. I have included many of the earlier examples as giving information on possible spelling variants, since in almost all cases these exhibit true metronymics. Since there seem to be some fairly consistent differences in the way given names and metronymics were recorded, however, I have marked these forms by appending a '*'. "

https://heraldry.sca.org/names/reaneyHZ.html

Soul-less

Sollas - English surname, alt. spelling of Solace per P.H. Reaney, date unclear, The Origin of English Surnames, p. 255&W from chapter on Nicknames from Mental and Moral Characteristics. Undated header form in R&W, also Sollis.

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