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907 - Karla, Farlafa, Vermuda, Rulava, Stemida. | 907 - Karla, Farlafa, Vermuda, Rulava, Stemida. | ||
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| Karla, Farlafa, Vermuda, Rulava, Stemida. | | Treaty forms | ||
| | | In nominative case: | ||
| | | Normalized Old West (! - treaty names are likely Old East aka Swedish) Norse per Viking Answer Lady (VAL): | ||
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| Karla, Farlafa, Vermuda, Rulava, '''Stemida'''. | |||
| Karl, Farlaf, Vermud, Rulav, '''Stemid'''.<br> All of the above names are also found in the 911 treaty, in the same order (with some extra people added in between)! | |||
| Karl or Karli, Farulfr (different from 911), Vermundr (different from 911), Hrothleifr, '''Steinvithr'''. | |||
|} | |} | ||
911 - Karly, Inegeld, Farlaf (Farlo per VAL), Veremud, Rulav, Gudy (Goudy per VAL), Ruald (Rouad per VAL), Karn (Kari per VAL, but the Russian is clearly Карн, not Кари), Frelav, Ruar (Roal/Ruar in VAL), Aktevu, Truan, Lidul, Fost, Stemid. | 911 - | ||
{| class=wikitable | |||
| Treaty forms | |||
| Normalized Old West (!) Norse forms of above per Viking Answer Lady (VAL): | |||
| VAL original order | |||
| Standardized Norse of above per allempires.net discussion | |||
|- | |||
| Karly, Inegeld, Farlaf (Farlo per VAL), Veremud, Rulav, Gudy (Goudy per VAL), Ruald (Rouad per VAL), Karn (Kari per VAL, but the Russian is clearly Карн, not Кари), Frelav, Ruar (Roal/Ruar in VAL), Aktevu, Truan, Lidul, Fost, Stemid. | |||
| Karl (Karli?), Ingjaldr, Farleifr (different from 907), Vermothr (different from 907), Hrolleifr, Guthi, Hroaldr, Kari, Freleifr, Hroaldr, omitted Aktevu, omitted Truan, omitted Lidul, omitted Fost, omitted Stemid, added Hroerekr. | |||
| Farlo/Farleifr, Frelav/Freleifr, Goudy/Guthi, Rouad/Hroaldr, Roal/Hroaldr aka Ruar/Hroarr, Rurik/Hroerekr, Rulav/Hrolleifr, Inegeld/Ingjaldr, Kari [sic]/Kari, Karly/Karl, Vermoud/Vermothr. | |||
| Karl, Ingjald, Farulf/-leif?, Värmund, Hrolf, Gudi, Hroald, Kari? (mispelled и for н?), Fridleif, Hroald, Angantyr, Thrond, Lidulf, Fasti, ? (Stenvid maybe). | |||
|} | |||
(Discrepencies between VAL and my version may be differences between Old Russian and modern Russian, for example the old Russian ou is now simply u. There are also multiple manuscripts of the Primary Chronicle.) | |||
944 - Vuefast from Sviatoslav, son of Igor; ...Sludy from Igor, plemyannik of Igor; Uleb from Volodislav; Kanitsar from Predslava; Shikhbern Sfandr from wife of Uleb; '''Prasten Tudorov'''; Libiar Fastov; '''Grim Sfir'kov'''; Prasten Akun, plemyannik of Igor; Kary Tudkov; Karshev Tudorov; Egri Evliskov; Voist Voikov; Istr Aminodov; Prasten Bernov; Yavtyag Gunarev; Shibrid Aldan; Kol Klekov; Steggi Etonov; Sfirka ...; Alvad Gudov; Fundri Tuadov; Mutur Utin; merchants Adun, Adulb, Iggivlad, Uleb, Frutan, Gomol, Kutsi, Emig, Turobid, '''Furosten''', Bruny, Roal'd, Gunastr, '''Frasten'''', Igeld, Turbern,Mone, Ruald, Sven', Aldan, Tilen, Apubeksar', Vuzlev, Sinko, Borich. | 944 - Vuefast from Sviatoslav, son of Igor; ...Sludy from Igor, plemyannik of Igor; Uleb from Volodislav; Kanitsar from Predslava; Shikhbern Sfandr from wife of Uleb; '''Prasten Tudorov'''; Libiar Fastov; '''Grim Sfir'kov'''; Prasten Akun, plemyannik of Igor; Kary Tudkov; Karshev Tudorov; Egri Evliskov; Voist Voikov; Istr Aminodov; Prasten Bernov; Yavtyag Gunarev; Shibrid Aldan; Kol Klekov; Steggi Etonov; Sfirka ...; Alvad Gudov; Fundri Tuadov; Mutur Utin; merchants Adun, Adulb, Iggivlad, Uleb, Frutan, Gomol, Kutsi, Emig, Turobid, '''Furosten''', Bruny, Roal'd, Gunastr, '''Frasten'''', Igeld, Turbern,Mone, Ruald, Sven', Aldan, Tilen, Apubeksar', Vuzlev, Sinko, Borich. |
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Name Inspiration
Name: Rogned Steingrimovna, Russian persona, 10-13th C, Novgorod.
Given Name
Rogned
Rogneda (f) -- Scandanavian name. Rogneda, daughter of Rogvolod Polotskoi. 980. [Tup 463] Vars: Rogned (daughter of Rogvolod). 980. [Nik IX 39] Rogned' (daughter of Great Prince Mstislav Vladimirovich). 1168. [Tup 463] Rozgneda. c980. [Ste 69] from Wickenden 2nd edition.
Byname/Surname
Steingrimovna
Clearly a lightly Slavicized Scandinavian patronymic byname:
- Scandinavian Steingrimr with Slavic alternate patryonimic ending.
- Standard period patronymic ending is -ova, without the "n" although -ovna is documented and registerable.
- -ovicha is a nice option for northern Rus, Novgorod style.
Viking Answer Lady:
- Steingrímr - For the first element Stein- see above. For the second element -grímr see above. GB p. 15 s.n. Steingrímr; FJ pp. 346, 349 s.nn. Stein-, -grímr; CV p. xxxiv s.v. "Pet Names"; CV pp. 216, 591 s.v. gríma, steinn; NR s.n. -stæinn, -grímR
- Steinn - Found both as a personal name and as a by-name in Old Danish and Old Swedish as Sten and in OW.Norse as Steinn. From OW.Norse steinn "stone." As by-name, may reflect place-names in OW.Norse Stein-, -steinn. Runic examples include the nominative case forms stain (4 instances), [stain], stein, stin, tsain/(t)sain, [t]sin, the genitive case form [stens], the accusative case forms stain, [stain], stein, [stei...], stia, stin, s(t)in, and one in which the case is uncertain, stain. GB p. 15 s.n. Steinn; FJ p. 346 s.n. Stein-; CV p. 591 s.v. steinn; NR s.n. Stæinn
- Grímr, Grími - Found in Old Danish as Grim (found as a by-name), Old Swedish Grim (found as a by-name), and OW.Norse Grímr. (Instances in Old Danish and Old Swedish by-names may be derived from the OW.Norse adjective grimmr "grim, cruel, atrocious".) Originally a by-name, related to Old Icelandic gríma, "mask", and may refer to a helm which masks the face, also Grímr was one of the names of the god Óðinn. This name is common in Norway and Iceland through the whole medieval period, and is frequent in Denmark and Sweden. The weak form Grími is found in Denmark, and as a place-name in both Denmark and Sweden. Runic examples include the nominative forms kiRimr, krim, [k](r)in(m), [krimbr], krimr, (k)rimr, krim-, [krur], the genitive forms kirims, (k)rims, and the accusative forms [irim], kirm. Anglo-Scandinavian forms include Grim, Grym, Grime Grím, Guyum. A diminuitive form of Grímr is Grímsi. GB p. 10 s.n. Grímr; FJ pp. 105-107 s.n. Grímr; CV p. xxxiv s.v. "Pet Names"; CV p. 216 s.v. gríma; NR s.nn. GrímR, Grím-
Slavicized Norse names in the Byzantine Treaties:
907 - Karla, Farlafa, Vermuda, Rulava, Stemida.
Treaty forms | In nominative case: | Normalized Old West (! - treaty names are likely Old East aka Swedish) Norse per Viking Answer Lady (VAL): |
Karla, Farlafa, Vermuda, Rulava, Stemida. | Karl, Farlaf, Vermud, Rulav, Stemid. All of the above names are also found in the 911 treaty, in the same order (with some extra people added in between)! |
Karl or Karli, Farulfr (different from 911), Vermundr (different from 911), Hrothleifr, Steinvithr. |
911 -
Treaty forms | Normalized Old West (!) Norse forms of above per Viking Answer Lady (VAL): | VAL original order | Standardized Norse of above per allempires.net discussion |
Karly, Inegeld, Farlaf (Farlo per VAL), Veremud, Rulav, Gudy (Goudy per VAL), Ruald (Rouad per VAL), Karn (Kari per VAL, but the Russian is clearly Карн, not Кари), Frelav, Ruar (Roal/Ruar in VAL), Aktevu, Truan, Lidul, Fost, Stemid. | Karl (Karli?), Ingjaldr, Farleifr (different from 907), Vermothr (different from 907), Hrolleifr, Guthi, Hroaldr, Kari, Freleifr, Hroaldr, omitted Aktevu, omitted Truan, omitted Lidul, omitted Fost, omitted Stemid, added Hroerekr. | Farlo/Farleifr, Frelav/Freleifr, Goudy/Guthi, Rouad/Hroaldr, Roal/Hroaldr aka Ruar/Hroarr, Rurik/Hroerekr, Rulav/Hrolleifr, Inegeld/Ingjaldr, Kari [sic]/Kari, Karly/Karl, Vermoud/Vermothr. | Karl, Ingjald, Farulf/-leif?, Värmund, Hrolf, Gudi, Hroald, Kari? (mispelled и for н?), Fridleif, Hroald, Angantyr, Thrond, Lidulf, Fasti, ? (Stenvid maybe). |
(Discrepencies between VAL and my version may be differences between Old Russian and modern Russian, for example the old Russian ou is now simply u. There are also multiple manuscripts of the Primary Chronicle.)
944 - Vuefast from Sviatoslav, son of Igor; ...Sludy from Igor, plemyannik of Igor; Uleb from Volodislav; Kanitsar from Predslava; Shikhbern Sfandr from wife of Uleb; Prasten Tudorov; Libiar Fastov; Grim Sfir'kov; Prasten Akun, plemyannik of Igor; Kary Tudkov; Karshev Tudorov; Egri Evliskov; Voist Voikov; Istr Aminodov; Prasten Bernov; Yavtyag Gunarev; Shibrid Aldan; Kol Klekov; Steggi Etonov; Sfirka ...; Alvad Gudov; Fundri Tuadov; Mutur Utin; merchants Adun, Adulb, Iggivlad, Uleb, Frutan, Gomol, Kutsi, Emig, Turobid, Furosten, Bruny, Roal'd, Gunastr, Frasten', Igeld, Turbern,Mone, Ruald, Sven', Aldan, Tilen, Apubeksar', Vuzlev, Sinko, Borich.
- From Nordiskt runnamnslexikon (The Dictionary of Norse Runic Names), by Lena Peterson - Vithfastr & Vifastr & Vigfastr, ...Sluta, Sigbiorn, Libbi & Lik(n)biorn, Fasti, Grimr, Hagni/Hagun-, Kari, Haeggi, Boi, Iostaeinn, Biorn, Gunn- & Gunna & Gunnar, Aldi, Kolla & Kolli & Kulli & Kulr, Klakki, Stigr & Styggr, Aeithorn & Aetta, Alver, Guthi, Finnr & Fithr & Fundinn, Utr, Ingialdr & Ingivaldr, Fro/thr, Gamall, Kusi, Haemingr, Thorvithr, Fro/ystaeinn, Brunn, Hroald, Gunn-?, Fro/ystaeinn, Igull & Ingialdr, Mani/Moni, Hroald, Thorbiorn, Svaein, Aldi, Thaellinaefir, Sinkr.
Close (?) names in Wickenden:
- Grimislav (m) -- "decorated glory." Grimislav. 1253. [Mor 64] Vars: Grimizlai. 1247. [Mor 64]
Combination
- Documentation for the combination of the names
- Needed if lingual mix, temporal incompatibility, double-given name, etc.
Blazon Information
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- Blazon Desired: "Per pale, or and gules, a bear rampant sable maintaining a sword bendwise argent. I believe a black border around the edge may need to be added (?)"
Insta-Boing Checklist
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