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==Byname/Surname==
==Byname/Surname==
===Taysh===
* Taysh found in https://heraldry.sca.org/names/mongolian_names_marta.html
* Taysh found in https://heraldry.sca.org/names/mongolian_names_marta.html


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* Pat Vars: Taishen (S't'pan Taishen). Second Half of 14th Century. [Art VI 63; #366]
* Pat Vars: Taishen (S't'pan Taishen). Second Half of 14th Century. [Art VI 63; #366]


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===Saran===
Would Saran for a byname work?  Sar-moon. I followed a facebook post that said it would be registrable because it follows a pattern of names based on heavenly bodies for the March 2013 precedent.
* The March 2013 precedent:  '''Suuder Saran.''' Name. "...Saran "moon" on the other hand does follow a pattern of the use of the names of heavenly bodies in period Mongol names and is registerable." https://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2013/03/13-03lar.html#139
 
* From the LoI of Kharakhan Saran "Saran - from An Introduction to Classical (Literary) Mongolian, 2nd Edition, by Kaare Grenbech and John R. Krueger, p.15, 72, 74"  The name formation comes from On the Documentation and Construction of Period Mongolian Names by Baras-aghur Naran [http://heraldry.sca.org/names/mongol.html]
 
* From the LoI of Saikhan Saran "Saran meaning 'moon, month' is found in An Introduction to Classical (Literary) Mongolian by Kaare Grønbech and John R. Krueger (2nd ed., Otto Harrassowitz, Wiesbaden; 1955, 1976; ISBN 3 447 01661 2), p. 74. It is also found on a website of Mongolian etymologies (http://starling.rinet.ru/) under the protoform *sara (meaning 'moon'), as one of the Middle Mongolian forms of this word. (The database seems to have moved, slightly, due to the death of the compiler. See http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?basename=dataaltmonget for the actual Mongolian parts: do a new query, under 'middle mongolian' type 'sara' and hit return.) One of the help pages says: "The databases presented here had been developed for several years by the Department of Comparative Linguistics and Ancient Languages of the Russian State University of the Humanities."
 
Russian (per Wickenden)
* Saran (m) -- Pats: Saranovik (Nalk Saranovik). 1451. [Mor 134]
 
===Alternates===


Arik (this is a first name, can be used as a last name too?)  
Arik (this is a first name, can be used as a last name too?)  
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* found on https://heraldry.sca.org/names/mongolian_names_marta.html as a tribal name
* found on https://heraldry.sca.org/names/mongolian_names_marta.html as a tribal name


Volkova (Volchkova).
Volkova (Volchkova).  Per on-line Wickenden.
* Volk (m) -- "wolf."
* Volk (m) -- "wolf."
Volk. 1448-68. [RIB II 25]
Volk. 1448-68. [RIB II 25]

Revision as of 08:56, 4 February 2021

Bureaucratic details

  • Name: Primary, Alternate, Household or Other?
  • Action: New, Resub (kingdom), Resub (laurel), Name Change (retain old as alt), Name Change (release old name), Name Change from Holding Name, Appeal, Other
  • Already Registered Name?
  • Authenticity desired?
  • Allowed Changes: All, Intermediate and Minor, Minor only, No changes
  • If changes needed: Language/Culture, Meaning, Sound, Spelling (details)
  • Allow Holding Name?
  • Gender of Name
  • Previous submission history, if any
  • Kingdom?

Name Inspiration

  • Mongolian -
  • "I wanted a name that would be sort of easy to pronounce. And I've browsed the names resources online. I've dabble with different culture names but I'm really i to archery and the garb of Mongolian/Kievan Rus/Byzantine. "


Given Name

  • Documentation for name

Kota (Cota) from William of Rubruck's Journals. I read somewhere that because certain languages were not originally written in English that we could switch some letters. Not sure if I was reading that correctly. I would ideally like to have the name Kota with a K. For asthetics. But as long as name still sounds the same whether Kota or Cota that would be great.

Dawson, Christopher, editor. The Mongol Mission: Narrative and Letters of the Franciscan Missionaries in the 13th and 14th Centuries.


Kot (m) -- "cat."

  • Kot Davydov syn Dar'evskogo, landowner. 1516. [Tup 203]
  • Dims: Kotek (Luchka Kotek, peasant). 1631. [Tup 203]

Kotia (Kotia Pavlovich, craftsman). 1552. [Tup 203] Kotko (Fedor Mikulich Kotko, courtier). 1541. [Tup 203] Kotok (Kulik Kotok, peasant). 1495. [Tup 216]

  • Pats: Kotov (Rodivon Kotov, guest). 1611-2. [RIB II 241]
  • Pat Vars: Kotovskii (lord). 1611-2. [RIB II 251]

Kotan (m) -- var of Katan. Kotanitsa (m) -- Kotanitsa. 1303. [Mor 103] Vars: Cotanitza. 1255. [Mor 103] Kotash (m) -- Kotash Belikovich, landowner. c1400. [Tup 202]

  • Pats: Kotashevich (Goriain Kotashevich, boiar). 1571. [Tup 117]

Kotcha (m) --

  • Vars: Cotza. 1205. [Mor 103]

Kote (m) -- Kote. 1585. [Mor 103]


Mrakota (m) -- "dark." Mrakota. 1195. [Mor 130] Vars: Mrachot. 1210. [Mor 130] Mrachota. 1228. [Mor 130] Mracota. 1269. [Mor 130]


Mr'kota (m) -- Pat Vars: Mr'kotik (Voislav Mr'kotik). 1254. [Mor 130]


Vl'kota (m) -- Vl'kota. 1367. [Mor 44]


Vukota (m) -- Vukota. 1420. [Mor 52]

Byname/Surname

Taysh

Now this one I thought would be okay but I've recently come to find out Esen Taysh (Taishi) was quite the leader and not sure if I would be able to use it at all. Also Taysh/Taishi might be used as a title to lord/lady? Think i read that in a facebook post but can't find it.

  • I find no documentation that it is a protected title
  • As long as we use a different first name, there's no presumption with Esen Taysh
  • However, the wikipedia article about Esen Taysh is clear that Taysh is a Chinese title of authority that Esen inherited from his father, etc.

Originally I thought it was another form of tysh (Arabic) for reckless. But googling as told me that nope Taysh(Taishi) is from chinese.

Sanders, Alan J.K. Historical Dictionary of Mongolia. Asian Historical Dictionaries, No. 19. The Scarecrow Press, Inc., London, 1996

Taicha (m) -- Taicha. 1623-8. [RIB II 473]

  • Pats: Taichin. 1623-8. [RIB II 476]

Taisha (m) -- "secret."

  • Pat Vars: Taishen (S't'pan Taishen). Second Half of 14th Century. [Art VI 63; #366]

Saran

Would Saran for a byname work? Sar-moon. I followed a facebook post that said it would be registrable because it follows a pattern of names based on heavenly bodies for the March 2013 precedent.

  • From the LoI of Kharakhan Saran "Saran - from An Introduction to Classical (Literary) Mongolian, 2nd Edition, by Kaare Grenbech and John R. Krueger, p.15, 72, 74" The name formation comes from On the Documentation and Construction of Period Mongolian Names by Baras-aghur Naran [1]
  • From the LoI of Saikhan Saran "Saran meaning 'moon, month' is found in An Introduction to Classical (Literary) Mongolian by Kaare Grønbech and John R. Krueger (2nd ed., Otto Harrassowitz, Wiesbaden; 1955, 1976; ISBN 3 447 01661 2), p. 74. It is also found on a website of Mongolian etymologies (http://starling.rinet.ru/) under the protoform *sara (meaning 'moon'), as one of the Middle Mongolian forms of this word. (The database seems to have moved, slightly, due to the death of the compiler. See http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?basename=dataaltmonget for the actual Mongolian parts: do a new query, under 'middle mongolian' type 'sara' and hit return.) One of the help pages says: "The databases presented here had been developed for several years by the Department of Comparative Linguistics and Ancient Languages of the Russian State University of the Humanities."

Russian (per Wickenden)

  • Saran (m) -- Pats: Saranovik (Nalk Saranovik). 1451. [Mor 134]

Alternates

Arik (this is a first name, can be used as a last name too?)

  • Aruk (m) -- Aruk, Kievian. 1168. [Mor 4]
  • Eryi (m) -- Eryi Chechel' Novoseletskii. Recorded in 1647. [Tup 429]

Kiratai.

Noyakin.

Volkova (Volchkova). Per on-line Wickenden.

  • Volk (m) -- "wolf."

Volk. 1448-68. [RIB II 25] Vars: Vilec. 1222. [Mor 47] Vlico. 14th Century. [Mor 43] Volchko (Lord Volchko Khod'kov synovets, landowner in Rus'). 1393. [Tup 91] Wlikon. 1052. [Mor 47] Wlikona. 1052. [Mor 43] Ylico. 14th Century. [Mor 43] Pats: Volkov (Istoma Ivanov syn Volkov). 1583-7. [RIB XIV 122] Volkovich (Vasilii Volkovich). 1169. [Tup 22] Pat Vars: Volchkovich [from Volchko] (Liakh Volchkovich, peasant). 1565. [Tup 238] Volkav [sic] (Putila Volkav). 1624. [RIB II 983]

Combination

  • Documentation for the combination of the names
  • Needed if lingual mix, temporal incompatibility, double-given name, etc.

Blazon Information

Basic info about the armory:

  • Mongolian-ish, purple, eclipse

Blazon Desired:

  • Per bend potenty purpure and pean (sable marked Or), in sinister chief a sun Or eclipsed sable.


Insta-Boing Checklist

  • Registered name - working on it
  • Rule of Tincture
    • Low contrast field division with complex line of division, but no charges overlapping the line so hopefully okay. (multiple precedents rejecting device that violate this)
  • Complexity 8 or less - yes
  • Slot-machine - no
  • Sword-and-dagger - no
  • Offensive/Presumptuous - no
  • Unity of Posture/Orientation/Arrangement - na

Conflict Checking

  • name Kota Taysh looks clear

Individually Attested Pattern

  • Documentation for any design that violates the rules