Lillies War 2022 Consulting

June 17-26th 2022

Kelsey Short Youth Camp, Smithville, MO

15 paid submissions (including one wayward Outlander courtesy of White Stag)

Sefa refr

Name and device - paid

Norse name per Dorcas' sources

• Conflict check: 7 Sefa's registered, none close. 56 refr's, non close.

Per chevron inverted vert and sable, a chevron inverted indented between 3 foxes' masks Or.

• Conflict check under chevron - okay with chevron indented and chevron wavy and with same field.
• Conflict check under head-beast-dog: same field, chevrons.

Roland Kienast

German name per Bahlow. Would be nice to better pin down the byname spelling date - medieval castle in what is now Poland.

• From the Lochac LoI - 2017-04-26 - Family Search:
  • <Margredt Kienast> married <Jocki Heiniman> 15 Sep 1629, Protestantisch, Bubendorf, Basel, Switzerland; batch M92244-1 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FVNY-PH9)
  • <Margredt Kienast> married <Hanss Mueller> 04 Feb 1634, Protestantisch, Bubendorf, Basel, Switzerland; batch M92244-1 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FVNY-5H8)
  • <Margaretha Kienast>, daughter of <Stephan Kienast>, married <Hannss Lackner> 19 Apr 1637, Katholisch, Dobersberg, Niederoesterreich, Austria; Batch M92780-1 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FVFN-ZF3)
  • An earlier dated example of this spelling was not found earlier than the above per the LoAR.
• Conflict check - no conflicts under Roland, Rolant, Kienast.

Per bend azure and sable, two griffons sejent erect addorsed argent.

• Clear under griffons.

Kitsumi Hisamoto

name and device - paid

Name

NOT Ashikaga Kei'an [sic]

• Ashikaga surname c. 1550, Kein'ai personal name, 1300s? - Japanese per Solveig. But too late of a period
  • Conflict check = good with above spellings. 5 Ashikaga's. A few Keina's, no Kein'ai.

Kitsumi - constructed Japanese surname "prior to 1600", "KITSU-" (lucky, fortunate) plus "-mi" (vantage, view) per Solveig, p33

Hisamoto - constructed Japanese given name from kanji prior to 1600, "Hisa-" (longtime) "-moto" (foundation) per Solveig, p43

• appears clear of conflict

Sable, a wood sorrel leave Or.

(trefoil-like with heart-shaped foils per April 2002 LoAR)

• no conflicts found under trefoil or "flower-few petals"

Katabami = wood sorrel kamon

vs. Per saltire red/black, on a plate a three-petaled wood sorrel leaf gold

Torquil MacGruder

name already registered

MacGruder is a sept of Clan Gregor. The Iowa town of McGregor was founded by a member of the Gregor clan.

Scotch pine is the plant badge of the Gregor clan per Wikipedia.

Crest badge: The crest badge suitable for members of Clan Gregor to wear consists of the chief's heraldic crest and slogan. The chief's crest is: a lion's head erased Proper, crowned with an antique crown Or. The chief's slogan within the crest badge is 's rìoghail mo dhream ([stɾiː.əl mə ɣɾãũm]), which translates from Scottish Gaelic to "Royal is my race"

Sable, between two stags combatant a pale indented gules charged with a wolf's head couped sable. Needs an IAP for color-on-color

German IAP Went through the 19 German armorial PDFs from Gunnvor

Pale indented x 1

1. Or, a pale indented gules, von Wisentaw (103) [but looks a bit fusilly]. https://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/heraldry/siebmacher/pale-1-gu.html, https://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/heraldry/siebmacher/103-vonwisentaw.jpg
2. Argent, a pale indented gules. 1500s Wappen Deutscher Geschlechter [BSB Cod.icon. 312, f42]

Stags combatant x 1

1. Argent, a stag rampant gules. f 164 Sammelbund

Wolf's head couped X 1

1. Or, a wolf's head couped vert. f 321v Manesse Codex.
2. Azure, a wolf's head couped argent, von Kötzaw (153). https://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/heraldry/siebmacher/153-vonkoetzaw.jpg

Motif of charged pale with secondaries on either side x1

1. Argent, between two herbrew letters sable and pale gules charged with a bell Or. f13r in Sammelbund.

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LC central ordinary with complex line, gules on sable x 3

1. (Can't Read Name): {Blazoning only quarter 2} Per fess or and sable, in chief a demi-lion issuant from the line of division sable crowned argent and in base a chevron indented and masoned gules. http://codicon.digitale-sammlungen.de/1bsb00002481_00183.jpg
2. -
3. -
   1. Per pale sable and argent, a pale per pale sable a fess gules and gules a fess argent. Her Syegmut Seberacher, Ingeram Codex. http:commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ingeram_Codex_018.jpg
   2. Per pale sable a fess gules and argent. Turnbacher, Ingeram Codex. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ingeram_Codex_206.jpg
   3. Sable a fess gules and overall a decrescent and an increscent Or, f35 Sammelbund
   4. Sable, a lion Or and overall a bend gules. Sammelband, f179. Also Wapenboek Beyeren [1581], 029v Jan die bastert van Brabant. (because a bend overall is more complex that a bend on the field?)
   5. Sable, a lion rampant Or, overall on a bend gules three annulets sable. 038r die heere van Loncamp. Wapenboek Beyeren [1581]. http://www.kb.nl/bladerboek/wapenboek/ (because a bend overall is more complex that a bend on the field?)

1. 1. 1. Gules, on a bend wavy sable three fish haurient argent (HC tertiaries). Dye Schencken von Sumern. Ingeram Codex. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ingeram_Codex_173.jpg
      2. Gules, on a bend sable three fleurs (?) argent, 1475-1560 Wappen Besonders von Deutschen Geschlechtern [BSB Cod. 309, f ?, p 116 in my download]
      3. Gules, on a fess sable three plates, 1400s Wappen Deutscher Geschlechter [BSB Cod.icon. 311, f40]
      4. Gules, a fess sable charged with three plates. Sammeland, f192; also in 1540 Anton Tirol's Wappenbuch [BSB 310, f129]
      5. Gules, a fess sable charged with three bezants. 1602-1604 Wappenbuch der Konrad Grünenberg (BSB-Hss Cgm 9210, p287, f305)
      6. Gules, a pale sable within a bordure or. #385 zum Angen, Zurich Roll (http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ZurichRoll/index.html )
      7. Red bordure on black, f92 Sammelbund
      8. Lots of red saltires on blue in Sammelbund, uncharged.

LC two complex secondary animate charges on the field - gules on sable x3

1. -
2. -
3. -
   1. Sable, a bull passant gules attired Or. 212r, Ortenburger Wappenbuch, German 1466-1473 [link] HiGaS
   2. Per pale gules and sable, an eagle displayed counterchanged. Von Radenhausen, Siebmacher, German 1605, plate 182 [link] HiGaS
   3. Per fess sable and argent, a lion gules and three billets? sable. Von Homberg, Siebmacher, German 1605, plate 167 [link] HiGaS
   4. Sable, a lion rampant gules crowned Or, BSB CMG9210 f104 (or 304 or 504?) Grunenbergy Conrad Wappenbuch
      1. Black dog on red field, f2 Sammelbund

Argent, a bend gules charged in dexter with a fleur sable. 1602-1604 Wappenbuch der Konrad Grünenberg, BSB-Hss Cgm 9210, f265, p247

LC animate tertiary - Sable on gules (tertiary on central ordinary) x3

1. Argent, on a bend gules three drinking horns sable. Von Gellhorn, Siebmacher, German 1605, plate 55 [link] HiGaS
2. Argent, a bend gules charged in dexter with a fleur sable. 1602-1604 Wappenbuch der Konrad Grünenberg, BSB-Hss Cgm 9210, f265, p247
3. Or, a lion gules charged on the shoulder with a wheel sable. 014v her Aernt van Moirmont. (because a lion is more complex than an ordinary) Wapenboek Beyeren [1581]. http://www.kb.nl/bladerboek/wapenboek/
   1. Sable, a lion rampant Or, overall on a bend gules three annulets sable. 038r die heere van Loncamp. Wapenboek Beyeren [1581]. http://www.kb.nl/bladerboek/wapenboek/ (because a bend overall is more complex that a bend on the field?)
   2. Paly argent and azure, on a chief gules in dexter a mullet sable. 004v her Jan Mulrepas. Wapenboek Beyeren [1581]. http://www.kb.nl/bladerboek/wapenboek/
   3. Argent on a chief indented gules, in dexter in pale two lions passant sable. (?!?) 046r her Michiell van Watersoen, Wapenboek Beyeren, Dutch 1581. http://www.kb.nl/bladerboek/wapenboek/

"HiGaS" per Heraldry in Gules and Sable

Alternate Ideas

Per pale sable and gules, two roundels in fess counterchanged. 1475-1500 Wernigeroder Wappenbuch [BSB Cod.icon. 308 n, folio 207r]

Stag's attires - red on black and vice versa on wiki

Wolves' teeth - stylized teeth coming out of the side of the shield - http://heraldicart.org/wolves-teeth/

Quarterly gules and sable to mimic the "buffalo plaid" tartan allowed

• Quarterly indented (?) argent and gules, 1500s Wappen Deutscher Geschlechter [BSB Cod.icon. 312, f46, ]
• Above clearly indented in 1574-1637 Stamm- und Wappenbuch des Freiherrn Wolfgang Leonhard Unverzagt von Ebenfurth und Petronell - BSB Cod.icon. 326b, f 7 showing "Liechtenstein".
• Both field-primary devices: Quarterly gules and sable, and Quarterly sable and gules, appear clear of conflict ?!? (haven't checked gules/color or sable/color)
  • Gules and sable - https://oanda.sca.org//oanda_desc.cgi?p=QLY%3a%7eand%20sable%3agules
    • Gules and argent - Ulf of Sjaelland registered in February of 1996 (via Caid): Quarterly gules and argent. Only 1 DC for sable to argent. Add indented lines to clear?
    • Gules and azure - Eirik Halfdanarson registered in September of 2014 (via Ansteorra): Quarterly embattled gules and azure.
    • Gules and fur - none plain
    • Gules and multi - none plain
    • Gules and Or - none plain
    • Gules and purpure - none plain
    • GUles and vert - none plain
  • Sable and gules - https://oanda.sca.org//oanda_desc.cgi?p=QLY%3a%7eand%20gules%3asable
    • Sable and argent - Paul fitz Denis registered in February of 2014 (via Caid): Quarterly per fess indented sable and argent.
    • Sable and azure - none plain
    • Sable and fur - none plain
    • Sable and multi - none plain
    • Sable and Or - Sven Förlorad registered in April of 1998 (via Trimaris): Quarterly arrondi sable and Or.
    • Sable and purpure - Michael Patrick MacBain registered in July of 2020 (via the Outlands): Quarterly sable and purpure.
    • Sable and vert - none plain

Indented field divisions registerable with gules and sable per SENA Appendix H - http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#AppendixH

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Nut Meg Thorn

New device - paid.

Name is already registered.

Per chevron throughout azure and Or, two oak leaves inverted argent and a tower stable and on a chief Or three acorns azure.

• Appears clear under oak leaves, and under castle.

Oleander -> Ulfkell Hrafnhauss

Oleander - period plant mentioned in Dioscorides. Not in MED. Not in Withycombe...

Pre-Christian Old Norse "dictus Oleander":

• Ulfkell personal name (Wulf Helm)
• Hrafnhauss byname (b/c raven-skull necklace)
• all per Geir Bassi

Only 3 registrations of Ulfkell. Only 5 registrations of Hrafnhauss. Appears clear.

Merlyn Mechtildis Nahtegale

name and device - paid

mostly 14th century German

• Merlyn - Med. Germ. Names Silesia article
• Mechtildis - DMNES
• Nahtegale - Hans Bahlow.

Clear under Merlyn, Merlin, zero Mechtilidis!, Mechtild, zero Nahtegale registered.

Merlyn device - Argent, a winged lion-dragon sejant erect affronty Or winged gules tailed vert and in base a seeblatt gules.

• Sejant affronty erect okay for lions, SFPP for non-lions per January 2018 Cover Letter. https://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2018/01/18-01cl.html#5

Conflict check under Lion-dragon - see Monster-Dragon, and Monster-Sea-Lion, and Monster-Composite, and Monster-Winged

• clear under dragon (Or and vert), sea lion, monster-composite, monster-winged.

Lilian

Hummingbird device

Kelly-ish + tree/plant in any language

preliminary research

Kelina (m) or Kel'ia (m), Wickenden 3rd Edition

Chereshkov (sweet cherry) or Rozanov (rose), Botanical Bynames article by Wickenden, dates in Wickenden 3rd edition.

Eibhear mac Finn

Early Modern Irish Gaelic (c1200-c1700) nominative form: Éibhear, Éimhear

• http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Eibhear.shtml

Woulfe - https://www.libraryireland.com/names/men/eibhear-ever.php

Patronymic of Fionn for byname:

• Early Modern Irish Gaelic (c1200-c1700) genitive form: Finn http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Finn.shtml

Conflict checking:

• clear Eibhear, Ever, Eber, other Finn, Fionn
• should be clear of Heber Finn: spelling of Eibhear, addition of H sound, addition of "mac"

Kaeso Allius Alexander

Name and device - didn't finish paperwork

New Roman name

Per pall gules azure argent, a sunflower Or seeded gules maintained by a rat sable marked argent.

• Conflict checked against Beast-Mouse, Flower-Multi-petalled

Ren Jia [sic]

Badge (Fieldless) a caltrop gules transfixing a cloud argent (tinctures?)

• Conflict check: clearn under caltrop, mullet, and cloud with above tinctures.

Dorcas following up.

Keridwen Andersdottir

New badge - paid for, but Outlands, okay per White Stag herald who helped with the consult

Badge (Fieldless) A pawprint sable within and conjoined to 3 pine trees in pall points to center proper.

• Looks clear of:
  • Gotfridus von Schwaben registered in April of 2020 (via Calontir): (Fieldless) In pall inverted three pine trees conjoined in base vert.

Thomas Punyer [sic]

New alternate name and badge - paid? maybe?

alternate Norman persona for "Taco"

new badge - Per pale wavy Or and azure, a punner Or and an arm "waving" argent.

• appears clear on a quick check

Zacharias Haukyn

New name and device, prev. known as Zacharia Dongalson - paperwork given to submitter at end of war

Zacharias - English given name dated 1585 in "Names in Chesham, 1538-1600/1" - http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/Chesham/

Haukyn - English byname dated 1297 in R&W s.n. Hawkin.

Azure ermined Or, a cross crosslet Or.

• Launcelot de Westwood registered in September of 1973: Azure, a cross botonny fitchy Or.
  • DC for ermine. SC for Ermine  ? No.
  • DC for fitchy? No. - "[T]here is not sufficient difference between a cross of Santiago and a cross fleury fitchy. We have traditionally not granted difference for the fitching of a cross." (December, 2013 LoAR)

Azure ermined Or, three crosses crosslet Or.

• Cathleen de Barre registered in December of 1996 (via the West): Gules, three crosses crosslet fitchy Or.
  • DC for ermine. Nothing for fitchy.

Azure ermined Or, three crosses crosslet 1-and-2 Or.

• Yñigo Diaz de Santiagos registered in June of 2014 (via the West): Azure, three crosses of Santiago one and two Or.
  • DC for ermine.
  • DC at least for type of cross.

Cedany Soul-less

Cedany

unfinished

Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames - Part Three: The Names H-Z

Sidony Fr Sedaine, a fem. form of Lat Sidonius.

• Cedany* 1275 Sedany
• Sedaina 1221 Sedany
• Sedania 1221 Sedany
• Sedehanna 1218-19 Sedany

Author's Note: "Both DES and MEPN have many examples of women's forenames used as metronymic surnames. I have included many of the earlier examples as giving information on possible spelling variants, since in almost all cases these exhibit true metronymics. Since there seem to be some fairly consistent differences in the way given names and metronymics were recorded, however, I have marked these forms by appending a '*'. "

https://heraldry.sca.org/names/reaneyHZ.html

Soul-less

Sollas - English surname, alt. spelling of Solace per P.H. Reaney, date unclear, The Origin of English Surnames, p. 255&W from chapter on Nicknames from Mental and Moral Characteristics. Undated header form in R&W, also Sollis.

Farulfr "Fenris" Orthlokar device

New device - paid

Or, a pall inverted voided vert within 2 ravens volant and a wolf's head erased sable.

• Looks clear under pall inverted and 2-ravens.

Felar' Kravstovich

Alternate persona name and device - didn't finish, ? conflict with device

Felar'

Felar' 12th-13th cent var. of Flor per Wickenden, s.n. Flor.

Kravstovich

Occupation Names by Wickenden. Dated to 1567 in Wickenden's Dictionary.

Or seme of mushroom purpure, a lochaber axe sable

Conflict check (lochaber axe = polearm!)

• Ulric von Ravensway registered in February of 1984 (via Atlantia): Or, a double-bitted bearded axe sable.
  • DC for semy
  • ?DC for lochaber axe vs double-bitted bearded axe?

Per the PicDic - The “Danish axe” and the “Lochaber axe” are similar in form... The Lochaber axe, as used in Scots heraldry, is similar but defined by a hook at the end [Parker 29]. The distinction between it and the Danish axe, such as it is, is considered simply a guide to the artist; pending period heraldic examples of the Lochaber axe, it is no longer registerable in the Society.

Cristine Tailleur. Device. Argent, a chevron rompu purpure between two square weaver's tablets vert and a Lochaber axe, a bordure sable. The curved haft of this depiction of the Lochaber axe does not appear to have any documentable period source, either in heraldic/artistic depictions or in extant weaponry of any pole axe. To date, the only heraldic depiction of a poleaxe with a curved haft is the Danish axe, as seen in late-period depictions of the arms of Norway. We will give the submitter the benefit of the doubt in registering this device, but absent documentation, we will cease allowing other poleaxes with curved hafts after the May 2018 LoAR. https://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2017/12/17-12lar.html#131

The lochaber axe is the family axe (see below), so will need to invoke the "grandfather clause".

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3. Existing Registration Allowance: Armorial elements which are registered to an individual or branch may be used in a new submission by that individual or branch, even if they are no longer allowed under the rules. Only the exact, actual elements which are registered may be used, not variants or patterns. The use of the existing registration allowance does not allow the submitter to evade new style problems (as discussed in A.1 through A.3). It only allows the submitter to evade style problems that already exist with their registered armory.

An armorial element from a registered piece of armory of an individual may also be registered by a close legal relative...

Documentation under the existing registration allowance does not exempt a design from conflict, presumption, or offense rules, unless that rules violation is itself part of the existing registration in question.

http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#A2

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Conveniently...

Faolán Táilliúir (the submitter)

• The following device associated with this name was registered in February of 2002 (via Calontir): Or, in pale a Lochaber axe fesswise and a wolf's head ululant erased contourny sable all within a bordure azure semy of mullets of four points Or.

Áine Táilliúir (the submitter's sister)

• The following device associated with this name was registered in April of 2002 (via Calontir): Azure, a coney salient between flaunches Or each flaunch charged with a Lochaber axe bit to center sable.
• The following badge associated with this name was registered in May of 2006 (via Calontir): (Fieldless) A Lochaber axe fesswise, blade edge to chief, sable.

Lasair Táilliúir This name was registered in February of 2002 (via Calontir).

• The following device associated with this name was registered in February of 2002 (via Calontir): Per pale wavy argent and sable, a Lochaber axe sable and a flame Or.
• The following badge associated with this name was registered in May of 2013 (via Calontir): Gules, on a flame argent a sheep passant sable and on a chief argent a Lochaber axe sable.

James mac an Táilliúir This name was registered in September of 2007 (via Calontir).

• The following device associated with this name was registered in September of 2007 (via Calontir): Or, a Lochaber axe fesswise sable between four wolves, two and two, sejant respectant ululant purpure.

Giric Taillur This name was registered in June of 2005 (via Calontir).

• The following device associated with this name was registered in June of 2005 (via Calontir): Argent semy of Lochaber axes sable, on a bend sinister purpure a crossbow argent.

Jehannette Montjaux

• The following badge associated with this name was registered in December of 2009 (via Calontir): Argent, a dunghill cock purpure maintaining a Lochaber axe sable between three oak sprigs chevronwise fructed proper. for Janet Tailleur

Twilleliah Taillur This name was registered in February of 2002 (via Calontir).

• The following device associated with this name was registered in February of 2002 (via Calontir): Purpure, a Lacy knot argent and on a chief urdy ermine a Lochaber axe blade to chief sable.

Amara Delizia

preliminary name

Amara - Spanish 1630

Delizia - Italian

• in De Felice, undated, s.n. Delizia in "de nomi Italiani", and in
• in Fucilla, undated, p 67, Ch.VI in Our Italian Surnames"

Vida something TBD

preliminary name

Vida gray period in Family Search: mostly Swiss, also German, and a "Joan Vida Brassax" in Catalonia, Spain.

Justina Grace

preliminary name

Justina - English in Withycombe 1556

Grace - English byname 1310 in R&W

Tanneke Groenlacken [sic]

New badge - paid

Vert, a swallow volant argent.

• conflict with Per chevron ermine and gules, a swallow volant argent.

Vert, three swallows volant argent.

• Appears to be clear.

Vert, in bend two swallows volant argent.

• Also appears to be clear.

Aesa Jarnauga

New badge - paid

(Fieldless) A wolf rampant argent within and conjoined to a wreat of oak leaves Or.

• appears clear

Anneke ?

New badge - paid

Per bend enarched sable and argent, a roundel counterchanged

• appears clear!!!

Fleur Barinou

French name - Dorcas consulted

Device:

Azure, a silk moth argent between 3 fleurs-de-lys Or.